Feminism and "bra-burning" became linked in popular culture. Retrieved 31 January Whereas on the other hand I haven't found a size in S that fits me because if the cup is deep enough, they're also too tall. Cup labelling methods and sizing schemes are inconsistent and there is great variability between brands. I also love the wacoal retro panties in a medium, what would you recommend size wise in the Freya Vixen Panties.
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Chalk it up to me being a bit of a data geek. This is all just research so far for me. We shall see how it works out. I doubt other EU manufacturers take EM's view of bra-making though.
I feel like we'd see a larger portion of other EU bras on the sub if they did. I also feel like if we further west had easier access to more of the resources in Poland we might take that POV as well. Some people were definitely wearing bands too tight resulting in wire distortion, so I kind of understood a tiny bit of strapgate. The actual strap adjustment thing is interesting though.
I'm a Cleo and Panache devotee myself and I always have to keep my straps on the longest setting despite only being 5'1" and I don't think my breasts are really low set. I have a super short torso, clothing is always too long in the shoulder area. I wonder how much of our collective overtightening has to do with physical strap-length restrictions in some UK bras? Or maybe we overtighten our straps because we're so used to trying to hold our boobs up with just the straps of our terribly fitting bras?
So here's my next question. So on a letters-only basis, she's basically down a half a cup size positing a mythical perfectly sized bra for her that is halfway between UK sizes 34H and 36GG. Assuming the 75E fits me fingers crossed! If people just ordered their UK cup size and EM sizing is either one cup size down or once again a different system Are we comparing apples to oranges again?
No clue what's going on with EM. My best guess is that It could be a shape thing. Like, if you're super projected and you can't find a UK bra with enough projection, you may end up in like a 34H, for example, but some of that volume is "lost" by the underwire slipping down and not staying in the IMF because it's too shallow at the wire. When you get into an EM bra that actually has enough projection at the wire, you get that extra bit of volume back because the wire is where it's supposed to be, which makes the same UK-cup-sized EM feel half a cup bigger than the Panache or whatever you were wearing before.
Shape has a looooot to do with it, at least in my experience. I generally wear 36HH in UK bras. My best fit in EM? But that's also in CHP, which is a half-cup, and at that size I finally hit the right balance of cup depth and height. Whereas on the other hand I haven't found a size in S that fits me because if the cup is deep enough, they're also too tall.
Oh, that's exactly what happens with me. Although I've read the Gazeta can be sized a bit different, so it may not be a definitive EM experiment. If EM is sized differently than other European bras then I still won't know what size I am in other brands. Time for some more research Comexim definitely doesn't go up by 2cm. Ewa doesn't go up by 2cm. Avocado does completely their own thing. I thought I had heard of that with other brands before.
Maybe I'm thinking French? French have the weird thing where they label their bands as 15 cm larger than EU sizing. Not really sure about cups. But measuring fully exhaled really doesn't shrink the measurement bu 4", the average difference between BTT and snug is roughly 2".
Avocado's sizing guide is a good example of this, it suggests measuring BTT and subtracting 5 cm, that's a more roundabout but pretty effective way of subtracting 10 cm from snug. Also, I live in Europe and I have never been measured on a full exhale in any of the bra stores I visited before finding ABTF, always tight-ish but not very tight on a neutral inhale.
Did the bra stores put you into a good fitting bra? And were they subtracting 5cm or 10cm from your measurements? It's all very interesting. There must be some kind of logic to it. Measuring fully exhaled for the snug measurement gives me the same band size using EMs calculator as I get from converting my UK band size to cm and subtracting 10cm. That doesn't mean it'll work for everyone, though, and it also doesn't tell us which of the two measurements put people in a better fitting bra if they're different.
EM calculator gives me 75F as a result regardless of how I take the snug measurement. I usually wear 70GG in EM apart from band stretchiness variation between models etc. That calculator just doesn't work - a clock that isn't running still shows the right time twice a day. BTT is not a reliable method for finding band size, whatever the sizing system. Band size preference correlates quite a bit more strongly with the snug underbust measurement than the BTT.
The band size doesn't correspond to anything, not your measurements, or the band unstretched or the band stretched. The standard just is labeling the sizes wrong. Being a big proponent of the scientific method, I'm more than willing to admit that just because it works for the Polish ladies doesn't mean it will work for everyone. In the same vein, just because it doesn't work for you doesn't necessarily mean it's broken. I believe this was the genesis of Strapgate - the belief that there is One True Way and all others are wrong.
Certainly some others are wrong, as we've all experienced. But there is more than one way to solve complicated math problems and more than one way to swing a cat. There may also be more than one way to successfully support boobs. Please refer to the comments in this post to see the original discussion I'm referring to.
Personally, I was quite interested in the fact that the Polish members of the bra sizing forum claimed that was how they measured, they sized according to the EM calculator, and they were getting what looked like and what they claimed was a pretty good fit from it.
From what I've read, the Polish ladies are happy with the results they get. The shape of their bras sounds like it will work well for me where the US and UK brands haven't to date. I'm willing to see if their method of sizing works well for those of us who have the same shaped boobs as the ones they're designing for. It seemed to me to be a good place to start - for me. My understanding is the extra 10cm of stretch is to allow the wearer to breathe, which makes sense if you're measuring with fully exhaled lungs.
Yes, there are more brands who don't follow standards but generally they really aren't different, usually you can do a straight conversion from the UK size. The average person really isn't going to get a better result with the "BTT in cm" method for band size that you're promoting - it will work for people who have a very large difference between BTT and snug and they are a small minority.
You need to consider the larger picture before deciding that because a method happens to work for you it's a valid method for a sizable amount of people. There's nothing that special about Polish breasts either. We seek out, value and have customer demand for bras that are narrow and projected. The brands who deliver this are popular. There are others that cater to a different shape but we don't have a pressing need for average wire width or for shallow bras so we just don't talk about those brands, and the brands that have gotten so popular have also expanded their selection to catch a larger share of the market.
You need to "play around" with the measurements on our calculator to get a workable size, too. I've read through a lot of size checks on this board, and in the smaller band sizes the calculator has a habit of handing out a band size that the common wisdom says is a size too small, so this is not a problem that is unique to me. Also please note that we are not talking about BTT. We are talking about exhaled snug, which is not a measurement we take here.
My snug is My exhaled snug is My BTT is 30" Our calculator tells me I'm between a 32F and a 32FF ambitious on the band size considering my snug is This is the sister size of the obviously too small in the band 32F size our calculator handed me.
For the life of me I can't figure out how this makes the EM calculator broken. As far as I can tell it's more accurate than our calculator which put me in an obviously-too-small band size - smaller than my snug size. Now I'm not knocking our calculator. It's very kind of the person who's running it to give us a calculator that puts us in the ballpark of the right size. Imagine a short skinny person with that size.
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